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Sport Football Fulham vs Aston Villa LIVE: Premier League result, final score and reaction Follow all the action from Craven Cottage
The pressure piled up on Aston Villa manager Steven Gerrard as his listless side slumped to a 3-0 defeat at Fulham in the Premier League on Thursday.
The former England captain endured chants of “getting sacked in the morning” by the home fans as Harrison Reed and Aleksandar Mitrovic scored for Fulham before a Tyrone Mings own goal completed Villa’s misery.
Reed’s powerfully-struck shot in the 36th minute gave Fulham a deserved lead after they had gone close several times.
Villa’s cause was not helped when Douglas Luiz was shown a red card just past the hour mark for an off-the-ball clash with Mitrovic and Matty Cash unluckily conceded a penalty for handball trying to block a shot.
Mitrovic converted for his eighth league goal of the season and Villa’s night went from bad to worse when Mings deflected a Neeskens Kebano cross into his own net.
Fulham vs Aston Villa LIVE: Premier League updates Fulham: Leno, Reid, Diop, Ream, Antonee Robinson, Reed, Joao Palhinha, Willian, Andreas Pereira, Kebano, Mitrovic Aston Villa: Martinez, Young, Konsa, Mings, Bednarek, Ramsey, Douglas Luiz, McGinn, Bailey, Watkins, Ings Fulham vs Aston Villa Substitution Andreas Hugo Hoelgebaum Pereira Luke Bernard Harris
Fulham vs Aston Villa Substitution Neeskens Kebano Harry Wilson
Fulham vs Aston Villa Substitution Aleksandar Mitrović Carlos Vinícius Alves Morais
Fulham vs Aston Villa Own goal Tyrone Deon Mings
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