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Both Starmer and Sarwar right over two-child benefit cap, says Murray

The shadow Scottish secretary told BBC Radio Scotland that both Labour leaders were right on the controversial policy.

Craig Paton
Friday 21 July 2023 10:31 BST
Shadow Scottish secretary Ian Murray was speaking on Friday (Jane Barlow/PA)
Shadow Scottish secretary Ian Murray was speaking on Friday (Jane Barlow/PA) (PA Wire)

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The stances adopted by the Labour Partyā€™s leaders in the UK and Scotland on the two-child benefit cap are both right, a senior MP has said.

Sir Keir Starmer would not pledge to drop the controversial measure ā€“ which has been criticised by opposition politicians, including those from his own party, and leading poverty charities ā€“ last week.

Within 24 hours, however, Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar said he and his MSPs would ā€œpressā€ the UK leader to commit to scrapping the cap if he wins the next general election.

Under the current rules, Universal Credit or child tax credit can only be claimed for the first two children, with an exception granted if the applicant can prove a third child was conceived non-consensually ā€“ a measure dubbed the ā€œrape clauseā€ by opponents.

The difference of opinion between the two ā€“ one of the few divergences between Labour in Scotland and the UK in recent years ā€“ was criticised by many within the party, including former Scottish leadership candidate Monica Lennon and frontbencher Pam Duncan-Glancy.

Asked on BBC Radio Scotlandā€™s Good Morning Scotland programme who was right, shadow Scottish secretary Ian Murray said: ā€œTheyā€™re both right, arenā€™t they?ā€

Put to him that the stance was ā€œbinaryā€, Mr Murray added: ā€œKeir has said quite clearly that weā€™ll look at every single policy, but weā€™ve got to identify how weā€™ll pay for it.

ā€œIā€™m sure if we had said X, Y and Z last weekend, your questions today would, quite rightly, be ā€˜well, how are you going to pay for it?ā€™

ā€œWe see that is ā€“ a hurdle weā€™ve got to try and get across and weā€™ll have a fully costed manifesto.

ā€œThereā€™s a long way to go to the general election, a long way to go until we print the manifesto and I would encourage people to wait until that happens.ā€

According to Mr Murray, Sir Keirā€™s stance is ā€œletā€™s just see where we get to in terms of a plan to deliver a reduction in child povertyā€.

ā€œWe want to eradicate child poverty,ā€ he said.

ā€œIn fact, we halved it up to 2010 and would have been on course to eradicate it by 2020 if weā€™d have stayed in power.ā€

The SNP and Tory-led Governments in Scotland and the UK, he said have ā€œreversedā€ the work of the last Labour administration on child poverty, Mr Murray claimed.

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