Grenfell witnesses demanding immunity from prosecution before testifying

Move would allow people involved in designing and choosing materials for refurbishment ‘freedom to tell the truth’, it is claimed

Witnesses involved in designing and choosing materials for the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower are applying to claim “privilege against self-incrimination” to protect themselves from the prospect of prosecution, the inquiry into the disaster has been told.

Chairman Sir Martin Moore-Bick said on Wednesday that he had been invited to ask Attorney General Geoffrey Cox QC for an undertaking that “nothing said by a witness in answers to questions in the inquiry will be used in furtherance of a prosecution against them”.

It would allow them have the “complete freedom to tell the truth without any concern for the future”, he said.

It comes after the inquiry heard that firms involved in revamping the high-rise block appeared to know two years before the disaster that a new cladding system would fail if exposed to fire, according to internal emails disclosed on Tuesday.

Four companies involved have already delivered opening statements which the inquiry’s chief lawyer has claimed were intended to distance them from blame.

Scotland Yard said in September that it had completed 17 interviews under caution in its investigation into the fire regarding gross negligence manslaughter, corporate manslaughter and health and safety offences, and said “the number will continue to increase”.

The application was made on Tuesday night by counsel for firms including external wall subcontractor Harley Facades, main contractor Rydon, and the TMO (tenant management organisation), Sir Martin said.

He said the development had caused him a “little surprise” as “hitherto there has been the fullest co-operation with the inquiry”.

“Very recently I've been advised that, when they are called to give evidence, which of course will start next week, many of the witnesses who were involved in the design and choice of materials are likely to claim privilege against self-incrimination as a reason for not answering questions,” he said.

”Privilege against self-incrimination is a rule of law that protects a person from being required to answer questions if to do so truthfully might expose him or her to a risk of prosecution.

“It is a very broad principle and will extend to any answers which might assist in, or lead to, a prosecution.”

“What they're asking me to do is to apply to the attorney general for an undertaking that nothing said by a witness in answers to questions in the inquiry will be used in furtherance of a prosecution against them, thereby giving them complete freedom to tell the truth without any concern for the future.”

Under Section 22 of the Inquiries Act 2005, a witness can refuse to give evidence if it might incriminate them.

Under the Act, in recent inquiries the Attorney General has agreed that no evidence given by witnesses, whether oral, written or in document form, “will be used in evidence against him or her in any criminal proceedings” except if they are charged with conspiring to or giving false evidence to the inquiry.

A collective application sent to the Grenfell inquiry for witnesses said a pledge from the attorney general would “fulfil the inquiry's primary obligation ... in the most effective and least disruptive manner”.

It reads: “Since the conclusion of the phase one hearings many witnesses to be called in phase two have been interviewed, or invited to attend an interview, under caution by the Metropolitan Police (and some may be reinterviewed during the course of the second part of the inquiry) as the criminal investigation into the fire at Grenfell Tower continues in parallel with your investigations.

”We collectively write to request that you seek an undertaking from the attorney general preventing the use of evidence given by witnesses to the public inquiry against them in any future criminal proceedings.

Additional reporting by Press Association