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<p>Spotify CEO Daniel Ek speaks during the Now Playing creator day hosted by Spotify at its Los Angeles Campus</p>

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It is the app’s latest and biggest pivot, with podcasters and minor celebrities all involved. Andrew Griffin reports from behind the scenes of a tech company with a new vision to enhance the ‘Joe Rogan’ effect and take on YouTube

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