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Lord Simon Stevens says Cabinet ministers ‘avoided’ Cobra meetings chaired by then-health secretary

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Covid inquiry roundup: Lee Cain and Dominic Cummings provide worrying insight into No 10

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Ex-health secretary Matt Hancock believed that he – rather than doctors or the public – should decide “who should live and who should die” if hospitals became overwhelmed with Covid patients, the former NHS chief executive has said.

Lord Simon Stevens said that “fortunately this horrible dilemma never crystallised”, as he told the Covid inquiry on Thursday that it would have to look “very carefully” at the issue of asymptomatic Covid patients being discharged from hospitals into care homes.

Meanwhile, Mr Hancock, who was health secretary at the start of the Covid outbreak, told Public Health England’s then medical director Yvonne Doyle “not to patronise him” when she warned that the virus could be in the UK, she told the inquiry.

She said she was barred from doing media interviews for a time after that, and apologised to him, even though she had been telling the truth.

It comes a day after former top civil servant and ethics chief Helen MacNamara said the “female perspective” was missed during the pandemic as she condemned a “toxic” and “macho” culture at the highest levels of Mr Johnson’s government.

Starmer battles to maintain Labour discipline over Israel-Hamas war

Sir Keir Starmer battled to maintain Labour discipline with members of his frontbench in open revolt about his stance on the Israel-Hamas conflict.

The Labour leader has resisted pressure from within his own party to call for a ceasefire, instead urging both parties in the conflict to agree to a humanitarian pause to allow aid in and people out of the war zone.

Shadow ministers are among senior Labour figures demanding a change in his stance, with frontbencher Alex Cunningham calling for an “immediate ceasefire” less than an hour before Sir Keir delivered his speech.

Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar also criticised Sir Keir, claiming he had made “hurtful” comments about the conflict and there was “repair work to do” to mend bridges with Muslim communities.

Sir Keir insisted he took collective responsibility - the principle that members of his frontbench team adopt a unified position - seriously, but he gave no indication he was about to sack those who had spoken out.

“It is for me to address collective responsibility, I recognise that,” he said.

“It matters and I take that duty extremely seriously, but I put it in the context of understanding what is driving people in the call for a ceasefire, which is in my judgment not the call that we should be making as things stand.”

Labour Party leader Keir Starmer delivers his speech on Tuesday
Labour Party leader Keir Starmer delivers his speech on Tuesday (Getty Images)
Tara Cobham31 October 2023 20:08

What we have learned from the Covid inquiry so far this week

A busy two days at the Covid-19 inquiry saw appearances from some of the key figures in Downing Street during the early stages of the pandemic.

Here’s what we learned from the appearance of Dominic Cummings, Lee Cain and others over the course of Monday and Tuesday.

What we have learned from the Covid inquiry so far this week

Dominic Cummings and Lee Cain were among the high-profile witnesses this week.

Tara Cobham31 October 2023 19:51

Dithering Johnson suggested Covid was nature dealing with elderly, inquiry hears

Boris Johnson's chaotic indecisiveness delayed lockdown measures, two of his top advisers have said, as it was alleged he believed coronavirus was "nature's way of dealing with old people".

Dominic Cummings told the Covid inquiry on Tuesday how the "dysfunctional system" during a "meltdown of the British state" failed to deal with the crisis, as the former prime minister downplayed the pandemic.

Lee Cain, who served as No 10's communications director, criticised Mr Johnson's tendency to "oscillate" between decisions for holding up the Government's response.

The UK Covid-19 Inquiry saw diary entries from Sir Patrick Vallance saying Mr Johnson was "obsessed with older people accepting their fate and letting the young get on with life" and getting the economy running.

Tara Cobham31 October 2023 19:40

Cummings denies misogyny despite foul-mouthed messages about civil servant

Dominic Cummings has insisted he is not a misogynist despite referring to a top civil servant as “that c***” in a series of foul-mouthed messages to Boris Johnson.

In an astonishing day of Covid testimony shedding new light on a culture of sexism at the heart of the former PM’s government, Cummings apologised for the “deplorable” language and claimed he “was much ruder about men”.

To audible gasps, the inquiry was shown Cummings’ WhatsApp texts about then deputy cabinet-secretary Helen MacNamara from 2020, in which he said he would “handcuff her and escort her” from Downing Street.

Read more here:

Dominic Cummings denies misogyny claims despite

The offensive messages shed new light on a culture of sexism at the heart of Boris Johnson’s Covid government

Tara Cobham31 October 2023 18:57

In pictures: Cummings and Cain after appearing at inquiry

Former chief adviser to Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings leaves the UK Covid-19 Inquiry at Dorland House in London
Former chief adviser to Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings leaves the UK Covid-19 Inquiry at Dorland House in London (James Manning/PA Wire)
Former Downing Street director of communications Lee Cain leaves after giving a statement to the UK Covid-19 Inquiry at Dorland House in London
Former Downing Street director of communications Lee Cain leaves after giving a statement to the UK Covid-19 Inquiry at Dorland House in London (James Manning/PA Wire)
Tara Cobham31 October 2023 18:55

Cummings’ bombshell four-letter Covid WhatsApp rants explained

Dominic Cummings branded Boris Johnson “exhausting” and in a foul-mouthed tirade said the cabinet was “useless f***pigs” in explosive WhatsApp messages revealed today at the Covid-19 inquiry.

In a pivotal day, Mr Johnson’s former communications chief Lee Cain gave evidence, followed by Mr Cummings, the former prime minister’s chief of staff during the pandemic.

Mr Cummings apologised to the inquiry for the “appalling” language he used in messages but said that he was reflecting “a widespread view” about the incompetence shown by ministers who were “dealing with this crisis extremely badly”.

Joe Middleton reports:

Bombshell WhatsApp messages reveal Cummings’ secret foul-mouthed rants about Johnson

Dominic Cummings said in a meeting with Boris Johnson he had to explain ‘the same thing 10 f****** times and he still won’t absorb it’

Tara Cobham31 October 2023 18:50

Sturgeon says she ‘gave my all’ in response to pandemic

Nicola Sturgeon has said she “gave my all” in the response to the pandemic.

Addressing journalists at Holyrood on whether she deleted WhatsApp messages relating to the pandemic, the former first minister said: “I gave my all to the management of the pandemic.

“Transparency for the families affected, by everybody affected by the pandemic, matters really a lot to me.

“I did my best everyday, as you heard me say many times over the course of the pandemic, I did not get everything right but I did my best and I want the process of these inquiries to get to the heart of what happened – the things that Governments got right and the things that Government’s and leaders alike didn’t get right.”

Tara Cobham31 October 2023 18:06

‘I did not manage Covid response by WhatsApp,’ says Sturgeon

Scotland’s former first minister Nicola Sturgeon said: “I did not manage the Covid response by WhatsApp.”

Speaking to reporters at Holyrood, she said she was not a member of any WhatsApp groups and she took decisions on the response at the Scottish Government headquarters at St Andrews House in Edinburgh.

She said she has “nothing to hide” and is “committed to full transparency” for both the UK and Scottish Covid-19 inquiries.

Tara Cobham31 October 2023 18:05

Sturgeon says she dealt with messages ‘in line with policies' of Scottish Government

Former Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon has said she dealt with messages “in line with policies” of the Scottish Government.

Speaking to journalists in Holyrood, Ms Sturgeon said: “Any messages I had I handled and dealt with in line with the policies set out by the Deputy First Minister.”

Her comments come after the Scottish Government published its policy on social media messages, which says “business conversations” through informal messaging channels should be deleted “at least monthly”.

Former Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon has said she dealt with messages “in line with policies” of the Scottish Government
Former Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon has said she dealt with messages “in line with policies” of the Scottish Government (PA Wire)
Tara Cobham31 October 2023 18:05

Barnard Castle trip ‘did cause lot of people pain’, says Cummings

Dominic Cummings said that the handling by Downing Street of the fallout from his trip to Barnard Castle was an “absolute car crash” and “did cause a lot of people pain”.

He was quizzed on the high-profile controversy and the impact it had on confidence in the Government during his appearance at the Covid inquiry.

He said: “It was certainly a disaster, the whole handling of the situation. But there were other factors involved with it all as well – testing and PPE and many other things were all going haywire at the time.”

He said it was “completely reasonable” for security reasons to move his family out of his house, but on the Barnard Castle revelations he said the way it was “handled it was an absolute car crash and disaster and did cause a lot of people pain”.

But he added: “In terms of my actual actions in going north and then coming back down I acted entirely reasonably and legally and did not break any rules.”

Dominic Cummings pictured amid the fallout from his trip to Barnard Castle in 2020
Dominic Cummings pictured amid the fallout from his trip to Barnard Castle in 2020 (Getty)
Tara Cobham31 October 2023 17:26

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